Town Board OK’s $450K ‘new deal’ for EPCAL

02/01/2011 6:32 PM |

BARBARAELLEN KOCH PHOTO | Riverhead Supervisor Sean Walter announces the town's plans to launch a two-year study of the Enterprise Park at Calverton property, with the aim of having it become a bustling industrial zone.

Riverhead officials hope to change the fortunes of the town’s languishing Enterprise Park at Calverton by defining eight distinct planning tasks for determining how to market the property effectively, Supervisor Sean Walter announced at a much-anticipated press conference last Thursday.

The cost of each task will be capped, he said, with the absolute maximum the town would pay for the “comprehensive re-use initiative” totaling $448,000.

Mr. Walter and other town, state and county officials who attended the press event outside Town Hall agreed the price would be worth it. They say the town’s failure to do the right kinds of planning in the past is one reason the park — commonly referred to as EPCAL — has failed to generate many jobs or much tax revenue.

The Town Board is expected to hire the land planning firm Vanasse, Hangen Brustlin Inc. (VHB) to update several key EPCAL studies. The move was approved by a 4-1 vote at Tuesday’s Town Board meeting.

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Councilman John Dunleavy voted against the measure, insisting that similar studies have already been conducting. He also said that, with the economy down, it was a bad time to spend taxpayer money.

The goal is to have all zoning and development guidelines in place so developers will know what they can and cannot build at the EPCAL site, which was transferred from the U.S. Navy to Riverhead Town in the mid-1990s for $1. The federal government said at the time that the land should be used for economic development to replace jobs that were lost when Grumman stopped making naval aircraft there.

Mr. Walter envisions a scenario in which projects that meet all the criteria can be approved within 75 days.

Community Development Agency funds will pay for the studies, he said, including revenue the town has received from land sales or contracts for land sales at EPCAL.

The eight tasks to be performed by VHB include assembling and evaluating existing data (the cost capped at $29,000); examining existing case studies elsewhere where redevelopment has worked (capped at $9,000); a marketing analysis (to be subcontracted by VHB, capped at $20,000); modification of the property’s zoning and reuse plan (capped at $70,000); a generic environmental impact study, to include studies of wildlife, among other things (capped at $160,000); and a traffic impact study (capped at $65,000).

The town probably will not attempt to market the property again until all studies are done and the proposed uses for the land are known, Mr. Walter said, although he added that the town doesn’t really market it now, and doesn’t even have a website for EPCAL.

“EPCAL is no longer going to be the place where bad ideas come to rest,” Mr. Walter said.

In the past, the town has entertained proposals at EPCAL calling for an indoor ski mountain, polo fields, carnivals and movie studios — “but nothing has ever come to fruition,” he continued. “Everybody with a dollar and a dream comes to EPCAL.”

The town has so far seen about $25 million in revenue from EPCAL but has never invested more than $50,000 in promoting commercial development of the site. It has spent nearly $1 million on new ballfields, which have yet to open, Mr. Walter said.

Because the town has not subdivided the property, it cannot legally sell lots at EPCAL, he said. Likewise, the town has never done a comprehensive wildlife study of the 2,900-acre property, something the state Department of Environmental Conservation has required, the supervisor said. The state DEC and Riverhead Town have butted heads for years about jurisdiction over proposed development at the Calverton site.

The 1,000 acres of land zoned for recreational uses at EPCAL also hasn’t been good for commercial development either, the supervisor said.

“We have been advocating this approach for several years,” said Peter Scully, regional director of the state DEC, who attended the press conference.
Mr. Scully said he had written former supervisor Phil Cardinale in 2005 and had advocated the more inclusive planning approach then.

“Business owners need to know that they can build what they need to build and can get a permit in a defined set of time,” Mr. Walter said. “I spent 12 months trying to get a defense contractor to come to EPCAL, but they left because they needed to have a shovel in the ground within six months.”

Because VHB will provide what are considered professional services, the job is not subject to competitive bidding. VHB has said the studies will take about two years to complete.

“This is one of the most important and responsible decisions ever made in the history of EPCAL,” Riverhead Councilman George Gabrielsen said, adding that the cost of the project will be small compared to the benefit of developing the property properly.

Councilwoman Jodi Giglio said that in two years, when the studies are done, the town will be in a position to market EPCAL again.

“Right now, the economy is sluggish,” she said, explaining that the down real estate market is not the time to undergo such a lengthy process.

At the press conference, Mr. Walter briefly discussed his plan to establish a regulatory agency at EPCAL comprising town, state and county officials.

Although he had referred to it in the past as an “authority,” he said he did not want to cede control to the state. Instead, he envisioned an agency where all the levels of government that have regulatory authority would be represented. He added that the town should have a majority vote on such a board.

The supervisor briefly discussed his hope that EPCAL could play a role in the “regional innovation cluster” uniting Brookhaven National Lab, Stony Brook University and Cold Spring Harbor Lab to create Long Island jobs.

“There is a reason why we are the worst state in the union to do business in,” said freshman state Assemblyman Dan LoSquadro (R-Shoreham). “We have created an unbelievably highly politicized regulatory environment in which business cannot operate. They are stuck in a quagmire of countless levels of government holding them up for time immemorial.”

He said the state needs to partner with towns on projects like EPCAL in order to make the state competitive again.

tgannon@timesreview.com

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  • What a convenient time to have a press conference in the middle of the day when everyone with real jobs is at work. What you don’t want the working people to have a say as to what happens at EPCAL. Chew on this for awhile, http://www.njmotorsportspark.com was built an fully operational in 1YR and 8 Months, less time than the 2 yrs, (probably more) it will take just to get to a starting point. A study on property already exists, yet they choose to waste 2 more years and more tax payers money for a study they already have in their possession? Looks like history is repeating itself and there will be no end to this incompetent nightmare. Here is a proposal that the last town board snubbed their noses at, one of the most forward thinking and successful local builder’s here on Long Island http://www.epcalcentre.com a professional, well thought out plan and, THEY WHERE GOING TO INVEST 1 BILLION DOLLARS into it! What does Riverhead Town board do… they turn a town hall meeting into a sealed envelope bidding war at a town hall meeting, and go with the horrible ski mountain idea and a company that wrote a rubber check.” We the people” survey after survey have told YOU the Government employees, that are supposed to work for “we the people” that WE want a MOTORSPORTS and entertainment center. When are YOU going to get it? Wake up already. Do some research on how much revenue this would bring to Long Island. Why don’t you visit a first class MOTORSPORTS park?

  • What a convenient time to have a press conference in the middle of the day when everyone with real jobs is at work. What you don’t want the working people to have a say as to what happens at EPCAL. Chew on this for awhile, http://www.njmotorsportspark.com was built an fully operational in 1YR and 8 Months, less time than the 2 yrs, (probably more) it will take just to get to a starting point. A study on property already exists, yet they choose to waste 2 more years and more tax payers money for a study they already have in their possession? Looks like history is repeating itself and there will be no end to this incompetent nightmare. Here is a proposal that the last town board snubbed their noses at, one of the most forward thinking and successful local builder’s here on Long Island http://www.epcalcentre.com a professional, well thought out plan and, THEY WHERE GOING TO INVEST 1 BILLION DOLLARS into it! What does Riverhead Town board do… they turn a town hall meeting into a sealed envelope bidding war at a town hall meeting, and go with the horrible ski mountain idea and a company that wrote a rubber check.” We the people” survey after survey have told YOU the Government employees, that are supposed to work for “we the people” that WE want a MOTORSPORTS and entertainment center. When are YOU going to get it? Wake up already. Do some research on how much revenue this would bring to Long Island. Why don’t you visit a first class MOTORSPORTS park?

  • The study sounds fascinating.!!! Except, fiscally responsible Supervisor Walter and Councilwoman Giglio failed to state where the $448,00o is coming from.

  • Not to worry, Intrigued. It’s just a transfer of funds in the budget, which is phoney and inflated anyway. Sean will have his financial buddy take care of it….

  • Jimmy said it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had the developer with the money and the plans. Riverhead is a joke! They would be already reaping in the money if games were not played….if only 1000 people would have shown up that day under the F-14 things would have been different.

  • So a handful of town employees get the ax because the town has no money, but Riverhead can afford to pay someone a substantial amount of money to tell the administration they have been doing it wrong the entire time? Seems a little backwards.

  • 25M in revenue is still not enough…INSANITY? Right on the heels of the bogus financial conservatism of the SUMMERWIND deal…. now with DEC helping out..are the birds to be sacrificed..?

  • That 25 million is the grand total for the 15 year time period the Town has has dawdled. They won’t even entertain renting the property with no improvements for fear of not getting re elected. The whole EPCAL ordeal is criminal at the very least. I sure hope the residents of Riverhead Town are at the next Board meeting to remind the board of how it works. You remember don’t you? “By the people, for the people.” Not “we know what’s best” (almost a verbatim Sean Walter quote). Speak up now Riverhead. Tell them what you want. What we, the Long Island Motorsports Association, know you want because we have gone door to door and surveyed people in your Town. Don’t be passive and reactive. Stand up and be proactive. Otherwise you have no one to blame but yourselves for what ever happens next.

  • MOTORSPORTS is the answer, to all the naysayers.. Click and learn. What a first class MOTORSPORTS park can offer Long Island to it’s true history and heritage cheers!

    http://www.goodwood.co.uk/revival/welcome.aspx

  • There have been inquiries from small and large businesses to buy land at EPCAL. The market for 755 acres for recreational use has not been proven to be desirable or sustainable in a tough economy. Regardless, neither recreation or business can come unless the land is subdivided. It can not be subdivided until the wildlife study is done which is the bulk of the cost. We have business proposals on the table for use of the site that if approved could generate about $100,000.00 of income per year until the study and ultimately subdivision is complete. That’s the direction I’m headed in and I am hoping the state will work with us so we can generate revenue to pay for their requested studies. CHECK OUT NYCRR PART 182 and see what we now have to do if this parcel is ever to be developed. We can’t let our land languish!

  • This is another smoke screen for desperate politicos. All of a sudden this knowledge is available? Did it come in a revelation? What happened during the first year of this administration? Absolutely nothing is what happened. Lay off a planner and then spend 10 times that amount for an outside planner! The land should have been subdivided already. What are these proposals that “could” if approved generate income. Another dream or another smoke screen?

  • Type your comment here.I hope the Board has the backbone to stick to the commercial development path, and not be seduced by short term recreational use $$. Caution tho, see NYTimes sunday interview with head of Cold Spring Harbor Lab about residential charteristics necessary to attact technology talent.

  • Type your comment here.I hope the Board has the backbone to stick to the commercial development path, and not be seduced by short term recreational use $$. Caution tho, see NYTimes sunday interview with head of Cold Spring Harbor Lab about residential charteristics necessary to attact technology talent.

  • Type your comment here.I hope the Board has the backbone to stick to the commercial development path, and not be seduced by short term recreational use $$. Caution tho, see NYTimes sunday interview with head of Cold Spring Harbor Lab about residential charteristics necessary to attact technology talent.

  • Art – i am speaking up…i dont want motorsports.

  • Well Steve, that’s good. You know what you want. I’m guessing you are under some impression of what “motorsports” entails, based on some 50 plus year old facility in your town? That facility is not what what has been proposed at any time. Your neighbors in door to door survey supported a multi use facility similar to the Rexcorp proposal. (http://www.epcalcentre.com/)
    Your Town Board instead chose, well you know what they chose. I hope to meet you at a Town Board meeting some Tuesday evening and hear what you think is best suited (and most revenue positive) for Epcal.

  • I think you and i are now rehashing. For many of us ” most revenue positive” is not the most important factor. Although i have not a “door to door survey” ( btw, no one came to my neighborhood) I can assure you that there will be many who will oppose motorsports. It will not only be ” a small minority” as suggested by someone with your point of view. Nothing ,or now,is better than motorsports or any recreational use that i can think of. A much longer road toward commercial , with less $$ , is preferable to me and many others .

  • You people are all out of your minds. Motorsports? Ski Slopes? BS small manufacturing or retail? Are you seriously crazy?
    You folks in Riverhead never cease to amaze me. You had a perfectly good airport handed to you, and you then promptly proceeded to completely screw it up. It’s an airport. Airports have good paying technical and maintenance jobs, plenty of labor and clerical jobs, and oh yes, it’s ALREADY BUILT THERE for you. But no, what do you do? You cut it up piecemeal and sell the future tax base of your town down the river. Amazingly insane, but SO totally par for the course for Riverhood.
    By th way, Motorsports? Give it a break. Great idea, but-it-does-not-pay nearly as much as aviation. Or anything else for that matter.
    You should have given FedEx anything they wanted to get them in that location, but you didn’t. And now, you are dealing with a bunch of old men yearning for their glory days of zipping around on their YZ-250s.
    Pathetic.

  • You people are all out of your minds. Motorsports? Ski Slopes? BS small manufacturing or retail? Are you seriously crazy?
    You folks in Riverhead never cease to amaze me. You had a perfectly good airport handed to you, and you then promptly proceeded to completely screw it up. It’s an airport. Airports have good paying technical and maintenance jobs, plenty of labor and clerical jobs, and oh yes, it’s ALREADY BUILT THERE for you. But no, what do you do? You cut it up piecemeal and sell the future tax base of your town down the river. Amazingly insane, but SO totally par for the course for Riverhood.
    By th way, Motorsports? Give it a break. Great idea, but-it-does-not-pay nearly as much as aviation. Or anything else for that matter.
    You should have given FedEx anything they wanted to get them in that location, but you didn’t. And now, you are dealing with a bunch of old men yearning for their glory days of zipping around on their YZ-250s.
    Pathetic.

  • I absolutely and totally agree with you comment. The trouble with the past town board members was that they listened to all of the Nimbies and the ones who recently moved here. The elected officials were only interested in getting re-elected and didn’t give a damn about the future of the Grumman site. The worse part was when the infrastructure was sold for a mere 17 million to Jan Burmann and he made that back with one resale. Before Cardinale was elected (another anti-aviation stupervisor) we did have a board that was pro-aviation but Cardinale unfortunately won the next election by a slim margin. I’ve always been an advocate of making the forner Grumman site into a transportation hub. Is it too late for that?

  • Riverhead- Lost and Riverhead Native have spoken up that the Former Grumman site should have been used as an airport but then the Long Island Pine Barred Executive organized opposition to this idea. Too bad for the opposition. An Airport coupled with other transportation facilities would have made this location into a jumping off point for all of the Eastern end of Long Island. What will a motor sports park bring other than gridlock and clogged roads for a week before and after each event? Ask the Barron of the pine Barrens. I’m sure he will organize opposition to any raceing endeavor

  • please excuse the incorrect spelling of the word racing

  • Rehashing? Nah. Spirited discussion. If the 7950 people that voted in the last election were polled, I think the results would say otherwise. Not everyone is ever going to be happy, I realize that. I think though with budget short falls already a reality, and Town employees already losing jobs, revenue may trump anything else. If a regional transportation facility was an alternative, I would very much be in favor of that too. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. So the vote was taken. The motion passed, with the single negative vote coming from Mr. Dunleavy of all people. I think having an important vote like that in the middle of the day, with little public imput is wrong. There is hope on the horizon though.

  • When the Hampton Classic horse show is held or the US Open was at Shinecock was there “gridlock and clogged roads”? No. When professional events come to town, State,local, and county police keep things moving. Not like “pumpkin season” or any other typical traffic generating event that seems to bring traffic. A motorsports park generates local tax revenue. Local food and fuel sales. Local lodging. Which all employ local people. And no matter what happens at EPCAL, Dick Amper will always have something to say. It’s just how he is.

  • Mr. Walter states that the ideas never come to fruition. What would help bring those ideas to fruition might simply be agreeing to meet with potential investors. For example, the folks behind the polo fields and equestrian facility have been trying to get a meeting with Mr. Walter to simply give a presentation. He refuses to meet with them. Though like motorsports , this type of facility may not be popular with all, the least that should be done is to allow a potential investor to bring an idea to the table. The arrogance of Mr. Walter truly prevents the town of Riverhead from prospering.

  • You are seriously misinformed. Motorsports would bring in huge money, we already have airports on Long Island, what we don’t have is a first class racing facility, and RIVERHEAD Raceway is not an example of one, that very small oval track was built over 50 years ago.

    2:45 MIN To see real potential for a small portion of the Epcal property.Which was originally intended for MOTORSPORTS usage given to the town by the NAVY, real History and A real tribute to Long Island, It’s history of aviation,motorsports and military service and it’s heroes to our country.
    http://www.goodwood.co.uk/revival/ph…e-revival.aspx

  • Jimmy,
    Honestly, as a former motorsports rider, I can say that yes, I DO know about motorsports. I can also say that, as a professional in the aviation industry, that there is absolutely no motorsport job that pays as well as an average A&P mechanic, that there is absolutely no possibility of a modern motorports facility generating as many jobs as an aviation maintenance and cargo transshipping facility, and that you are completely and assuredly wrong.
    Look, I love motorsports, I did it for 15 years or more, and yes, it is not the “small oval track built 50 years ago” that you keep quoting on this site. But it is in no way comparable to an airport.
    You can repeat yourself and post here all you want. It does not change the fact that, compared to an aviation facility, you are dead wrong. BUT, compared to some cockamamey indoor ski slope or BS retail facility, you are absolutely correct.

  • OK i watched it. No thanks. prefer …..well…..pretty much anything…or nothing,( except for a casino) Thanks for the website. It will serve those opposed very well in galvanizing oopposition.

  • Did anybody ever think about the combination of motorsports and an airport being side by side might have worked. Wait that would have involved people working together like the way America use to be. Everybody today has a what ‘s in it for me attitude not what’s good for my community. Would a safe race facility save lives and make money sure it would. Would a commercial airport provide jobs at that site, with that rail spur added sure it would. Will opened space be retained there to preserve our precious L.I. sure it would be. It’s the peoples lack to compromise that creates the problems, followed by politicians that live in a popularity contest to retain their jobs. Everybody voted for change, you wasted your vote, we already changed. We are the problem. I’m proud to be unpopular I back the track, support the planes,see the birds, bugs and lizards all sharing the same. It’s all good but it must be good for all. That was America

  • Lets see, i have lost business at LIMAP, shops closed, definitely not growing.

    Brookhaven Airport, nothing going on there

    Gabreski Airport, same thing as the other 2

    Epcal was never a Airport, it was a govt owned area that rented space so that grumman could build there plane.

    saying it would have been a JFK is insane…

    Motorsports will attract other big business, the facility will encourage the business that so many closed minds here have no idea are leaving this island.

    I haven’t seen a rush of aviation mechanics or even engineers for new ideas

    However this island has many new idea people that are and were buuilding the next new clean motor, and trucks that operate on nat gas and elec…

    These though are leaving since they need areas to test, and like the rest of the people that lack any sight, you’re losing those jobs from having no facility to test at.

    If aviation is so great why is it that these other AP’s are dead… why have companies i did business with go out of business if aviation is the great generator.

    Automotive, EVERYONE is involved, and everyone is missing the chance..

    The motorsports facility will attract other business, it’s just sad people don’t understand how and why.

    Motorsports builds minds, look at the AP in NJ, it is now a thriving bringing in business motorsports facility… another aviation spot that just wasn’t good enough for aviation…

  • This is ONE grand prix event , ONE organization, in One form of racing, this is ONE race.
    Show me an airport that makes that in a weekend. By the way this is INDIA location not NEW YORK money.The caterer in 2 Days makes $ 6 million in PROFIT! stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
    Although the sport is expensive but revenue generated by it is also huge. As many say, Formula One is that giant vacuum cleaner that sucks up money at an alarming rate but also brings in annual revenue of more than US$270 million. Typically in a Grand Prix event some US$12 million is invested in advertising and promotions, and marketing for the event .The business community of the city where the Grand Prix event is held generates an income close to US$60 million. Even the official caterer for the Grand Prix makes around US$6 million in profit, catering to some 300,000 spectators who turn up throughout the days of the event.

  • Jimmy,

    Motorsports are for retarded children.

  • Starting salaries for qualified mechanics can range from $45,000 to $65,000. Engineers and shock technicians can make $100,000 and up, while guys with good track records in Nextel Cup or who go over the wall on race day as pit crew members may earn $150,000 or more. And because time is the most valuable commodity in racing, crew members don’t have to ride in the truck anymore. They fly to the races on the team’s jets.

    It doesn’t stop there. If you have the skills and the drive to rise through the ranks, the opportunities are nearly unlimited. With winning at such a premium in Nextel Cup and the competition for top people so fierce, the sport has now arrived at the era of the million-dollar crewchief. That’s right: With base salaries reaching into the $500,000 to $700,000 range, performance bonuses and purse splits can carry a star crewchief’s annual earnings over the $1 million mark.

  • FORMULA 1 PIT CREW. “There are some engineers who only work in the team headquarters and make well over $100K a year. Team bosses can make more than a million dollars a year easily. The more important your role the higher your pay, but some gents even at the lower ranks of mechanics will make more than 75K at a young age. I’ve worked on two ALMS teams and some of our engineers made $1000 a day.”

  • Sorry, Your Wrong again.
    The median expected salary for a typical Aircraft Mechanic (Jet) in the United States is $75,982. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals’ analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies

    FORMULA 1 PIT CREW. “There are some engineers who only work in the team headquarters and make well over $100K a year. Team bosses can make more than a million dollars a year easily. The more important your role the higher your pay, but some gents even at the lower ranks of mechanics will make more than 75K at a young age. I’ve worked on two ALMS teams and some of our engineers made $1000 a day.”
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    Starting salaries for qualified mechanics can range from $45,000 to $65,000. Engineers and shock technicians can make $100,000 and up, while guys with good track records in Nextel Cup or who go over the wall on race day as pit crew members may earn $150,000 or more. And because time is the most valuable commodity in racing, crew members don’t have to ride in the truck anymore. They fly to the races on the team’s jets.

    It doesn’t stop there. If you have the skills and the drive to rise through the ranks, the opportunities are nearly unlimited. With winning at such a premium in Nextel Cup and the competition for top people so fierce, the sport has now arrived at the era of the million-dollar crewchief. That’s right: With base salaries reaching into the $500,000 to $700,000 range, performance bonuses and purse splits can carry a star crewchief’s annual earnings over the $1 million mark.

  • hear, hear, bravo.I second your motion.

    “Did anybody ever think about the combination of motorsports and an airport being side by side might have worked. Wait that would have involved people working together like the way America use to be. Everybody today has a what ‘s in it for me attitude not what’s good for my community. Would a safe race facility save lives and make money sure it would. Would a commercial airport provide jobs at that site, with that rail spur added sure it would. Will opened space be retained there to preserve our precious L.I. sure it would be. It’s the peoples lack to compromise that creates the problems, followed by politicians that live in a popularity contest to retain their jobs. Everybody voted for change, you wasted your vote, we already changed. We are the problem. I’m proud to be unpopular I back the track, support the planes,see the birds, bugs and lizards all sharing the same. It’s all good but it must be good for all. That was America “

  • You mean like this guy…….

    http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/CSU-Motorsport-Engineering.

    Keep it coming!Your just showing YOUR IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY. Have a nice time trying to wrap your head around something you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about, Thanks for exposing your lack of any knowledge on said subject.Try watching the whole video maybe I know it’s a stretch but maybe you will learn something today to fill your pea sized brain.

  • Being the most negative poster here and suggesting that the “most revenue positive” is not the most important factor would bring me to believe that you are well to do and appear to have minimal concern about your neighbor, let me phrase that differently others living on Long Island, as your neighbors are probably like you, gated or fenced in to keep people doing surveys out. I wonder what you do for fun to relax. Lets say you golf. Lets picture a society that forced the closing of every golf course on L.I. and you had to go to a toxin riddled landfill or out of state to fulfill your passion, would you just lay over and call it quits, move or get out there and try to restore something taken away by a short sighted society. America worked because people worked together for a better society. They would see a problem and fix it to make their community safe and enjoyable. Now lets look at the motor sports community they have been chased out of every safe haven to enjoy their sport here. Something they had is gone. You can’t knock them for trying to reestablish what they once had. You would have to agree that a safe alternative to the streets is a good concept that could save lives although maybe not the best answer for revenue it does make for a safer L.I. Which is good for all even those that don’t like the sport. Have you ever come upon a wreck involving high speeds and kids? What if that could have been erased by a safe place to go. What if it was your kid in the car. I’m sure you would have a different opinion then but then it would be too late. Think outside your box.

  • It has been to long with nothing going on at EPCAL . I think the Navy should be contacted and have the property taken away from Riverhead and given to The County.
    This is just to big for Riverhead to handle they have there heads in the Dirt and can not see the light

  • I dont begrudge you for what you want. But i live close enough to be affected and pay very big taxes in riverhead and i dont want the effect. I am an avid skiier. I drive many miles and hours to ski in vermont. Yet, i dont selfishlishly want to see a ski slope built here…..nor should be affeted by your desire to have racing nearby. The $$ for the town and jobs is a separate issue. … i would prefer to see commercial development. But your desire for nearby motorsports is not imporatant to me. If , howver the majority of riverhead residents wanted the facilty, i would consider myself as well a my friends overruled. BTW , i have a degree and practiced a a mechanical engineer in an early career…and can understand your desire….Last, i DO NOT live in a gated community.

  • Your acknowledgement that motorsports “”maybe not the best answer for revenue” is suprising . I think big bucks for the land is your bet shot. Altho some good jobs will be created
    ( i guess) by motorsports , many more retail jobs will need to be filled and there will be migration to rvhd, overcrowded schools etc- not good for riverhead. ( especially compared to commercial industrial development, and or technology….how about great local jobs tech jobs, give regiional kids the opportunity to find local jobs , possibly incenting them to go to college/grad school and be able to stay on eastern LI… versus , now ….the only jobs for college grads on the north fork are in teaching…. a few mechanics and pit crews cannot compare to tech development in terms of quality job creation)

  • There isn’t a home owner on L.I. that isn’t over taxed that’s the way it is here. Being an avid skier you’ve always had to go off the Island to ski, it’s always been that way so those that love to ski have always had to accept that fact. Someone that is an avid skier would see that mechanical bunny hill they proposed as a waste of time and money and having a degree in mechanical engineering you would have a basis of knowledge as to what it would take to power up such a facility on an already burdened grid. As an engineer you should be able to access modern sound mitigation tech and see that much of the sound can be absorbed in the design of the facility. The F-14 and other air craft use to fly out of there so I would think to people living around there noise wouldn’t be an issue but I can understand that being a factor for the locals and I believe the motor sports community understands that fact and seek to work within parameters set by the town. Have you ever rode on the LIRR or flown out of MacAuthur there homes surrounding these transportation modes and these people have to deal with all that involves to make L.I. function, seven days a week. A motor sports facility situated properly at the EPCAL site possibly surrounded by a tech park and the 2,000 acres of open space retained would be nothing to what these people deal with to make LI work. My sole purpose for backing motor sports is not to race but to make racing safe and our public roads safer. I live the nightmare of when things go wrong and work to save others from what I’ve experienced. With no safe alternative there will be many more that will live my nightmare. I see a little noise as a nonissue when that noise could save a life. As an mechanical engineer you might want to check out what is involved in building a race car you will appreciate it if you like your craft and kids can learn from doing rather than sitting at a computer and virtually attempting. WE all must work together to make it work. Thanks for opening your gate

  • There isn’t a home owner on L.I. that isn’t over taxed that’s the way it is here. Being an avid skier you’ve always had to go off the Island to ski, it’s always been that way so those that love to ski have always had to accept that fact. Someone that is an avid skier would see that mechanical bunny hill they proposed as a waste of time and money and having a degree in mechanical engineering you would have a basis of knowledge as to what it would take to power up such a facility on an already burdened grid. As an engineer you should be able to access modern sound mitigation tech and see that much of the sound can be absorbed in the design of the facility. The F-14 and other air craft use to fly out of there so I would think to people living around there noise wouldn’t be an issue but I can understand that being a factor for the locals and I believe the motor sports community understands that fact and seek to work within parameters set by the town. Have you ever rode on the LIRR or flown out of MacAuthur there homes surrounding these transportation modes and these people have to deal with all that involves to make L.I. function, seven days a week. A motor sports facility situated properly at the EPCAL site possibly surrounded by a tech park and the 2,000 acres of open space retained would be nothing to what these people deal with to make LI work. My sole purpose for backing motor sports is not to race but to make racing safe and our public roads safer. I live the nightmare of when things go wrong and work to save others from what I’ve experienced. With no safe alternative there will be many more that will live my nightmare. I see a little noise as a nonissue when that noise could save a life. As an mechanical engineer you might want to check out what is involved in building a race car you will appreciate it if you like your craft and kids can learn from doing rather than sitting at a computer and virtually attempting. WE all must work together to make it work. Thanks for opening your gate

  • There isn’t a home owner on L.I. that isn’t over taxed that’s the way it is here. Being an avid skier you’ve always had to go off the Island to ski, it’s always been that way so those that love to ski have always had to accept that fact. Someone that is an avid skier would see that mechanical bunny hill they proposed as a waste of time and money and having a degree in mechanical engineering you would have a basis of knowledge as to what it would take to power up such a facility on an already burdened grid. As an engineer you should be able to access modern sound mitigation tech and see that much of the sound can be absorbed in the design of the facility. The F-14 and other air craft use to fly out of there so I would think to people living around there noise wouldn’t be an issue but I can understand that being a factor for the locals and I believe the motor sports community understands that fact and seek to work within parameters set by the town. Have you ever rode on the LIRR or flown out of MacAuthur there homes surrounding these transportation modes and these people have to deal with all that involves to make L.I. function, seven days a week. A motor sports facility situated properly at the EPCAL site possibly surrounded by a tech park and the 2,000 acres of open space retained would be nothing to what these people deal with to make LI work. My sole purpose for backing motor sports is not to race but to make racing safe and our public roads safer. I live the nightmare of when things go wrong and work to save others from what I’ve experienced. With no safe alternative there will be many more that will live my nightmare. I see a little noise as a nonissue when that noise could save a life. As an mechanical engineer you might want to check out what is involved in building a race car you will appreciate it if you like your craft and kids can learn from doing rather than sitting at a computer and virtually attempting. WE all must work together to make it work. Thanks for opening your gate

  • what about gabeiski or other airport? sorry but i am not in favor for riverhead , despite your valid reasons to make things safer .People who live near noisy facilities chose to live there. I chose to retire here because of quiet. and the pastoral qualities…

  • I wish it was that easy, the FAA has regulations about using active runways for anything other than aircraft use. To me if it were possible I would suggest Republic which is surrounded by heavy industry more centered on the Island. We had a proposal for a property in Yapank a while back. The property was situated between the LIE and Sunrise, just north of the landfill and filled with toxic plumes. Cty. Exc Levy shot that down saying he wanted to put affordable housing there, this after being at a town hall pumping his fist saying so do you want to race. The only thing that came out of that was the closing of the last drag strip on L.I. in Westhampton a track that was there from the fifties but people looking for the tranquil life built houses around it and complained it out of business. Racers didn’t fight that closing because of the Yapank deal but were politically dupped. Everywhere we try they throw up roadblocks. Mr. Levy came out publically in support of motor sports at EPCAL during the Cardinale Administration say if was a perfect fit there and it was actually part of the original contract at the time Riverhead took possession. If it were me I would place a motor sports facility smack in the center of the pine barrens and replant the trees where abandoned theaters, strip malls and other useless properties here. This would guarantee that no building would go on there, put a needed fire lane with a water source and a break just in case the pine barrens goes on fire again, spread the beauty of trees around L.I. for all. To me that would make sense but not to a guy named Dick Amper who sees it his way at taxpayer expense and has political connections which we do not. That’s why I say America lost because it’s become who you know not what is fair and right like it use to be. I believe everybody should grieve their property taxes so they have to come back to us and explain why or why not, because they need our money. What’s in it here for the middle class anymore. There are many publically funded recreational airports here which are noisy and more dangerous than any race track would ever be, but are allowed to exist. Could this be that nobody I know flies?

  • I now reread your posts because you are obviously a thoughtful person.
    But i have trouble discerning how much of your support of motorsports is ” i want because i like and i used to have ” vs “safety”. As to the former, well, you know what i think. The latter i understand, even tho my inclination is that it would not help, but of course that is debateable. As far as large scale recreation spectator motorsport in riverhead…that would not be right for riverhead in my view. There is a trend here of retirees who pay taxes and consume little in town services. This , obvious to me at least ,, is good for the town. There are also an increasing number of part timers where i live , which from an economic perspective, is a big positive for the town for the same reason. That said, given the traffic , noise, and the hoopla that would go along with motorsports ,,,i think retiree/partimer of migration would stop( i am one who would not have chosen to move here… yes i am fortunate and pay multiples of an avergage RE tax) …So can the the probablilty of reversal of retiree/parttimer migration be offet economically by jobs from motorsports?. Yes some good paying jobs, but also many more retail jobs…and where will thos epeople live? and where would those kids go to school? Riverhead…et al of course but riverhead…. riverhead schools are already overcrowded, there is an upcoming bond issue to
    fund school improvement and possibly expansion…..more kids , especially lower income families cannot be good for riverhead economics. Contrast with commecial and technology?
    To me , a no brainer,…take less $$for the land, but better jobs , encourage kids to go to college /grad shool and stay here … or close by. As far as taxes go….70% is schools, so back to my arguement … shift the balance in riverhead ..less kids more retirees and part timers and higher paying jobs. Largescale recreational Motorsports is not the way to go for riverhead….short term money for the land, offset by long term costs ( retail jobs , kids less high income retiree/partimers)..so tell me how i that selfish? Far as i can tell , riverhead does more than its part to provide housing for the poor and the lower middle class…with taxpayer like me subsiding poor and those with many kids paying less in taxes than they “consume”. Get citizens of riverhead better jobs, not retail , encourage more retirees and part timers … and the balance will shift back. Better jobs for the average person and school taxes become less of a burden ( most of my life i lived a a suburb of NY where taxes were MUCH higher than riverhead,,,but so were incomes…) Riverhead has been dumped on in the past ( low income housing, sex trailers) …sure levy wants it at epcal,,,dump on riverhead yet again.
    I cant comment on airport economics , i know nothing about it, but large scale Motorsports is not the way to go….my opinion of course, but shared by many here.
    BTW , most of my career involved business and economics …so as far as economics for riverhead goes, i am not shooting from the hip here.

  • First off,I respect your opinion, but your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion. You are retired,maybe you don’t have to work, lived a long life. Now it is time to have another generation have their say, but make no mistake MOTORSPORTS appeals to ALL ages, maybe not you in particular, but the majority has spoken time and time again. As far as noise and traffic and YOU wanting YOUR peace and quite that issue can and has been well addressed and is proven with noise abatement technologies. But self admittedly your interests in not having MOTORSPORTS is self serving and selfish. It’s called N.I.M.B.Y. or NOT IN MY BACK YARD,And is the SELFISH, SELF CENTERED, PRIMARY reason we cannot move forward towards the future.As far as the revenue that a first class MOTORSPORTS park would bring through new jobs, tourism and such,through MOTORSPORT generated activities, the numbers are off the charts and proven and quite frankly those high taxes that you hate paying would go down and the value of your home would increase. The MAJORITY HATH SPOKEN.

    With the ski mountain project all but dead, what should Riverhead do with the EPCAL land?

    * Build a motorsports complex (84%, 1,548 Votes)
    * Build a casino (5%, 94 Votes)
    * Open Disney World Long Island (4%, 81 Votes)
    * Create a sports complex with a new home for the Islanders (3%, 49 Votes)
    * Turn it into an airport (2%, 40 Votes)
    * Build an equestrian complex (2%, 35 Votes)
    * Open another mall (0%, 5 Votes)

    Total Voters: 1,850

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    Record traffic at the LIBN online poll this week as we asked readers what to do with the EPCAL property at Calverton now that a proposed ski mountain has suffered a meltdown.

    The first rush came from motor sports enthusiasts, who blasted us for not including an auto sports option as part of the poll. Once that was fixed, it was, well, off to the races, as the Long Island Motorsports Association used its online forum to get out the vote. Almost 2,000 hits later, we have a winner: 84 percent said build a darn track already.

    Developing a casino on the property was a distant second, garnering a paltry 5 percent. Some sort of Disney World Long Island drew just 4 percent.

    The motor sports enthusiasts, by the way, didn’t just vote, they commented in record numbers, too.

    “Motorsports . promotes heritage, history and family ties and memories,” noted George Stamatiadi, one of the dozens of motorheads to weigh in. “It will generate tons of money and maybe even keep some of the kids away from drugs, gambling and street racing.”
    Listen up, Riverhead.

  • As i said in a prior post, majority should rule. I dont think you have anywhere near a majority in Riverhead.

  • and surely you cant believe that anyone with a brain wont see that your simple poll proves anything more than Motorsports people across LI ( and probably elsewhere) are well organized….the above even caveats “used its oneline forum to get out the vote” …how does that define a majority of riverhead (and contiguous neiborhoods )that would be affected. Every time you cite this poll you lose credibility.

  • That’s what YOU would like to believe, but again you are misguided. You are most definitely in the minority here. Everyone in that poll was on equal ground, being the poll was open to everyone that can read and has a computer. Not too shabby for not being even included in the poll in the first place ( gee I wonder why?) By the way, that is just ONE of MANY polls, ALL with the same result. I have been following this issue a lot longer than you and have physically polled many,many more people and local businesses than you and the results have ALWAYS been the same.

  • Also if you REALLY look at those #’s again it’s not even close by a long shot. The closest was Build a casino (5%, 94 Votes) only 94 votes to win. we would only need 95 to beat that, And not all of the 1,548 people that voted for MOTORSPORTS are from any MOTORSPORT forum I can assure you. So the closest was build a CASINO which I am quite positive you don’t want either. Let’s see what’s next…Open Disney World Long Island (4%, 81 Votes) I would guess a big NO on this one for you as well. Hmmm what’s next…Create a sports complex with a new home for the Islanders (3%, 49 Votes) I would also guess that a Big ISLANDERS ARENA would also be out of the question for you, Where does that leave you hmmm….Turn it into an airport (2%, 40 Votes) A measly 40 votes for an AIRPORT considering the NOISE It would be VERY hypocritical of you to go with the NOISY AIRPORT with VERY LOUD JET ENGINES flying over your home for you to consider that, so what’s next….well I guess you can see where this is going your not even in the same league here in your concept of what YOU would feel comfortable with. And if your retort is just leave it alone and turn it into some bird sanctuary, well….. now your not dealing with reality. and you would have certainly no one to blame but yourself and others like you for your HIGH TAXES to have the taxpayers foot the bill for another half arse park that doesn’t generate any real money.My guess is you would like NOTHING there in order to satisfy your selfish “I chose to retire here because of quiet. and the pastoral qualities” agenda….

  • well if you would read my post , you would see that i am in favor of tech/ commercial development. I spent several pararaghs explaing why. I might be convinced that an airport is better….it does not bring huge crowds or require many retail type jobs in support as would a big track. ..or a ski slope …or ( worse ) a casino.

  • Yes I did read your post. So YOU would prefer MORE commercial development of Long Island and High tech. That was all ready on the table, 300 acres worth if I’m not mistaken? Also we have plenty of VACANT COMMERCIAL buildings on Long Island already and airports. So your for hundreds of commercial DIESEL fuel vehicles, 18 wheelers and such, driving through your SINGLE lane roads, and Very LOUD commercial jets flying over your house, but your against a MOTORSPORTS park? Have you even looked at the MOTORSPORTS proposal? I mean REALLY looked at it, I don’t think so. And if you have, you better take another good look. There is plenty of open space and greenery, along with an EQUESTRIAN PARK with 500 horse stables and 150 ACRES of pristine riding paths (you could bird watch from horseback) and a DONATED horse hospital. There is huge athletic fields and a lot more. People on Long Island live mostly in seclusion from each other, for most work is all we do.We drive from our overpriced over property taxed suburban homes with our .25 acres in our HUGE gas guzzling SUV’S
    (all the while,more often than not complaining about the environment, while talking or texting on our cell phones)then work,then drive home again. Then do that 5-6 times more in a week. Not much social interaction there. A motorsports/equestrian and entertainment center would be a place that all of Long Island could be proud of, a place where we could take our kids, socially interact in a positive environment. A very large majority of Long Islanders all they do or is to do is shopping,eating and movies.Long Island has very much a worker bee, antisocial mentality. The EPCAL PROPOSAL http://www.epcalcentre.com
    could have been enjoyed by all, if not for the few closed minded people of a few.

  • i read it then and again. 2500 jobs permanent jobs. Mostly retail- like….( waiters, maids bartenders to deal with the many tourists)You seem desperate.
    Things are not going your way. See riverlocal.com..feb 2… Medical laboratory cited by lavalle , an example of good development….

  • Many people have a misconception of the operation of a motor sports facility with constant heavy traffic thousands of people every weekend plugging up the roads. Nothing could be further from the truth. In reality a motor sports facility usually gets one maybe two major events if it’s lucky. These events basically finance the track for the season as the revenue during a major event is in the millions. The rest of the time these tracks are used by local racers who are constricted to noise restrictions and are required to have certain safety equipment for the speed of there vehicle. So the idea that heavy traffic would be experienced every weekend is false. It’s like golfing Bethpage Black it has a major event but most times it’s just local users. There many one time events here every year all over L.I. everybody deals with it and it’s all good for L.I.’s economy. While our pollutants are different ours is gone with the wind while fertilizers used to maintain golf courses will eventually make LI bottled water only.
    Do I like motor sports yes I do but I’m more a spectator, the last time I went down a track was in 1978 but I use to go to the Hampton track just about every Sunday, just to unwind and take my mind off things. My life has brought me down some horrible paths and cars have been part of it good and bad.
    On the good side growing up during the muscle car era and being the youngest of four boys I built my first car when I was fourteen and all for under a hundred bucks. Not having money I had to count on ingenuite making things I couldn’t afford to buy. I redid that car from the ground up a 56 chevy 210 sedan. It started me with an understanding of all things mechanical. end results although I have no college degree I am a commercial property manager in NYC working for a very large real estate owner. Recently on my job after reviewing drawings for a project I found flaws in the load calculations and had the much embarrassed Harvard grad senior Arhc. redo his drawings. I’m well thought of and just turned down the cheif eng. job at the Empire State bldg. because I have health issues and don’t want the stress. I thank cars and racing for this knowledge it’s what lite the flame.
    On the bad side in 1979 I was involved in a street racing accident where two friends and myself were injured. While my friends only had minor injuries it took emergency workers quite a while to cut me out of the wreckage and I spent nine months in the hospital six in a coma because of severe head trama. The entire right side of my body was broken as I cut two telephones poles in half. I wasn’t one to street race in fact it was a custom van just made a bad choice when someone challenged me at a light.
    Many years later I was a father of two going to a family party when a ten year old boy on a bike rode out in front of my car it was the day before mothers day. That childs life ended that day. You do not know what feeling empty is. I knelt over his body and watch the life run out of him, followed by his parents praying at his side as the paramedics tried to revive him.
    This wasn’t suppose to happen to me the little league coach the guy always willing to help out his neigbors but it’s with all that in mind that I promote a safe place for kids to go, I’m trying to be that good neighbor and save others from my fate.

  • LOL, you must be joking? that web domain is for SALE. I am not impressed with what Lavalle thinks, sorry. I guess you will believe Politicians are always right. You have your narrow minded, self serving, old, N.I.M.B.Y. beliefs and I have my more forward thinking example of this generations beliefs. There are many more of us then you. You’re retired and in your “golden years” the younger generation will have the influence as to what happens at EPCAL, since I guarantee it will be another 10 years before the thought of a shovel hits the ground at EPCAL especially with your N.I.M.B.Y. track record.

  • Jimmy,
    Are you currently employed? Because the amount of posts you have here makes it seem like you either have more time on your hands than an unemployed motorsports worker, or you are a paid lobbyist. One or the other.

  • keep insulting people, that will get you somewhere. BTW i am 55 and pay 3 x avg tax in rvhd…
    maybe pilgrim state for a track?

  • terrible horrible trajedies, i am sorry. Speaks to possible benefit of very small recreational facility, not a major venue…( lots of retail jobs, migration to rvhd) I am happy to discuss /debate with people like you anytime.
    Jimmy on the other hand , thinks i am too old to have a valid opinion… insults + ad hominem attacks= great spokeman. Guaranteed to fail.

  • Keep enjoying your 3X LARGER TAX RATE, it’s there to stay. Why don’t you try to enjoy your golden years, I hear Florida is nice this time of year, or better yet ARIZONA has a nice dry climate, better for your health. Lot’s of open land so you won’t even hear a pin drop. ahhh heaven.

  • http://www.njmp.com/gallery/photos20071130.html

    Start Your Engines: It’s Here

    By JOEL LANDAU
    Staff Writer
    jlandau@thedailyjournal.com

    MILLVILLE – As the opening of the New Jersey Motorsports Park approaches, officials have to worry about finding enough people to staff the massive racetrack and entertainment complex. And they will first look inside Cumberland County. City officials and local businesses are anticipating an economic boon from the tourists who will frequent the park during the year.

    The park’s project overview estimates a total of 1,520 full- and part- time jobs will emerge from the park’s operations and numerous commercial properties on the site near Millville Airport, such as hotels and restaurants. Not all of those jobs will go to local residents, but park officials estimate as many as 1,000 local residents could benefit from direct employment at the site. Joe Savaro, principal investor at the park, said the resort’s leaders hope to have a management team hired by the end of April.

    THE FIRST PHASE OF HIRES will include support staff, marketing, operations management, accounting, human resources, sales, safety, emergency management, security, fire and rescue, and workers for clubhouses and galleries, he said. The first phase of the park is scheduled to be complete by the end of the summer and will include about 200 jobs, Savaro said. Other waves of employment will occur over the next few years, and additional development – including hotels, restaurants and activities outside the park grounds – could mean another 1,320 jobs.

    Savaro said it will be important to hire local residents, but noted park officials won’t have direct control over all the hiring because some of that would be done by other contractors who establish businesses at the park.

    “We’ll do as much as we can to have as many local people as possible,” he said. “The community is a part of every aspect” of the park. The motorsports park would be the largest single economic development project in Cumberland County’s history.

    Millville resident Don Fauerbach, the park’s newly named general manager, said many people will be qualified for jobs there, even if they have no experience in racing. “You don’t have to know about motorsports to be an accountant at a motorsports park,” he said. The park’s offices receive resumes every day from people along the East Coast, but the majority are from county residents, Fauerbach said.

    “It’s still early in the game, but right now, we have no problem finding people,” Savaro said. The park has also received requests from local organizations and seniors about volunteering on event days, Fauerbach said. “It’s exciting,” he said about the park. “They want to be a part of it.”

    The construction itself – which park officials say is the largest construction project currently occurring in New Jersey – has also meant plenty of jobs for local residents. Savaro said as many as 150 people have worked construction at the park at one time. About 50 to 60 people are working through the winter months. All the construction companies are local, Fauerbach said.

    “The park is being built by South Jersey,” he said. Park officials also are working to develop talent for future uses. Darlene Barber, superintendent of the Cumberland County Technical Education Center in Deerfield, and Kim Wood, county marketing director, are co-chairs of an education committee designed to fill the park’s future employment needs. Bill Shaughnessy, spokesman for the TEC, said the school is working on new curriculum to train students on the type of vehicles that will be used at the park.

    Twenty-two students have enrolled in a yearlong course about maintaining buildings like those at the park. Shaughnessy said he expects more people to attend classes at the school, once the park is operating.

    “Once it’s up and running, we can work with them and decide what kind of curriculum and things are necessary for high-performance vehicles,” he said.

  • At 55 you’ve got me by a year. I do this because I hope in that childs eyes he sees what I’m doing as good and the right thing to keep others safe. i owe society the effort and hope my efforts going on seven years now are fruitful. The stats Jimmy speaks of are valid as I’ve been involved in many surveys done in many cases by the guy on the street way. Jimmy and many others trying to resolve this issue are frustrated beyond belief and that frustration may show in his posts. You would have had to walk the road we’ve been on to understand. I was going to say many, but it’s all the people involved in motor sports here that feel slighted by our politicains and their well connected friends. We feel lied to, pushed to the side and see people gloat about how they beat us again. While they gloat kids and innocent people die or are maimed on our roads. They don’t care about the caladoral damage because its’ not them or people they know. We don’t count, in the eyes of the motor sports community it’s the basis for the anger and frustration because we are trying to do it the right way making it legal and safe. I’ve learned many life lessons while doing this and the main one is that Americans don’t work together or compromise like they use to, it is why our country is failing and unless we turn it around we will fail. You can not count on your government for answers or help many but not all are self serving and only interested in being controlling. It’s a sense of power to them not a sense of serving the public wants and needs. They work against us and you at the same time in different rooms. I’ve always suggested that all of L.I.’s politicians should do a study to find the correct location to place the type of facility to suit our needs with the least effect to the surrounding areas. I feel this is the fairest way to get this accomplished but as many pols pointed towards EPCAL as the answer the idea never had support. Would someone like yourself be in support of such a study. Lastly I couldn’t beieve you would be in support of an airport over a track at EPCAL as that noise is much greater and constant as they operate seven days a week and your opinion that many would flock to live in Riverhead at low wage jobs to be support staff for a racing facility is way off base as there would only be a couple of major events a season at best. It would really be no different than a major golfing event as far as impact a large amount of money made in a weeks event overall minimum impact per dollar to the entire summer season. Most businesses already in town would benefit by local racers and support or specialty business could be anywhere on the Island. My dad work at Grumman as did my uncles after serving in the navy and we lived in the Northport area as many Grumman employees did so local school impact I think would be minimal but probably increased by a tech park or some industrial park. But I believe all could exist in a well planned design.

  • At 55 you’ve got me by a year. I do this because I hope in that childs eyes he sees what I’m doing as good and the right thing to keep others safe. i owe society the effort and hope my efforts going on seven years now are fruitful. The stats Jimmy speaks of are valid as I’ve been involved in many surveys done in many cases by the guy on the street way. Jimmy and many others trying to resolve this issue are frustrated beyond belief and that frustration may show in his posts. You would have had to walk the road we’ve been on to understand. I was going to say many, but it’s all the people involved in motor sports here that feel slighted by our politicains and their well connected friends. We feel lied to, pushed to the side and see people gloat about how they beat us again. While they gloat kids and innocent people die or are maimed on our roads. They don’t care about the caladoral damage because its’ not them or people they know. We don’t count, in the eyes of the motor sports community it’s the basis for the anger and frustration because we are trying to do it the right way making it legal and safe. I’ve learned many life lessons while doing this and the main one is that Americans don’t work together or compromise like they use to, it is why our country is failing and unless we turn it around we will fail. You can not count on your government for answers or help many but not all are self serving and only interested in being controlling. It’s a sense of power to them not a sense of serving the public wants and needs. They work against us and you at the same time in different rooms. I’ve always suggested that all of L.I.’s politicians should do a study to find the correct location to place the type of facility to suit our needs with the least effect to the surrounding areas. I feel this is the fairest way to get this accomplished but as many pols pointed towards EPCAL as the answer the idea never had support. Would someone like yourself be in support of such a study. Lastly I couldn’t beieve you would be in support of an airport over a track at EPCAL as that noise is much greater and constant as they operate seven days a week and your opinion that many would flock to live in Riverhead at low wage jobs to be support staff for a racing facility is way off base as there would only be a couple of major events a season at best. It would really be no different than a major golfing event as far as impact a large amount of money made in a weeks event overall minimum impact per dollar to the entire summer season. Most businesses already in town would benefit by local racers and support or specialty business could be anywhere on the Island. My dad work at Grumman as did my uncles after serving in the navy and we lived in the Northport area as many Grumman employees did so local school impact I think would be minimal but probably increased by a tech park or some industrial park. But I believe all could exist in a well planned design.

  • At 55 you’ve got me by a year. I do this because I hope in that childs eyes he sees what I’m doing as good and the right thing to keep others safe. i owe society the effort and hope my efforts going on seven years now are fruitful. The stats Jimmy speaks of are valid as I’ve been involved in many surveys done in many cases by the guy on the street way. Jimmy and many others trying to resolve this issue are frustrated beyond belief and that frustration may show in his posts. You would have had to walk the road we’ve been on to understand. I was going to say many, but it’s all the people involved in motor sports here that feel slighted by our politicains and their well connected friends. We feel lied to, pushed to the side and see people gloat about how they beat us again. While they gloat kids and innocent people die or are maimed on our roads. They don’t care about the caladoral damage because its’ not them or people they know. We don’t count, in the eyes of the motor sports community it’s the basis for the anger and frustration because we are trying to do it the right way making it legal and safe. I’ve learned many life lessons while doing this and the main one is that Americans don’t work together or compromise like they use to, it is why our country is failing and unless we turn it around we will fail. You can not count on your government for answers or help many but not all are self serving and only interested in being controlling. It’s a sense of power to them not a sense of serving the public wants and needs. They work against us and you at the same time in different rooms. I’ve always suggested that all of L.I.’s politicians should do a study to find the correct location to place the type of facility to suit our needs with the least effect to the surrounding areas. I feel this is the fairest way to get this accomplished but as many pols pointed towards EPCAL as the answer the idea never had support. Would someone like yourself be in support of such a study. Lastly I couldn’t beieve you would be in support of an airport over a track at EPCAL as that noise is much greater and constant as they operate seven days a week and your opinion that many would flock to live in Riverhead at low wage jobs to be support staff for a racing facility is way off base as there would only be a couple of major events a season at best. It would really be no different than a major golfing event as far as impact a large amount of money made in a weeks event overall minimum impact per dollar to the entire summer season. Most businesses already in town would benefit by local racers and support or specialty business could be anywhere on the Island. My dad work at Grumman as did my uncles after serving in the navy and we lived in the Northport area as many Grumman employees did so local school impact I think would be minimal but probably increased by a tech park or some industrial park. But I believe all could exist in a well planned design.

  • I start with the belief that any large scale recreational is undersireable for riverhead. – noise, traffic and net negative economics.( stress on schools + service , less migration of high income retirees ) The only one of the 3 that is debateable is “economics” ( very tricky to analyze…” jobs created” is a naive and incomplete measuree )…So, a “where to put it to meet our needs” study implies that something inherently undesireable …for that community only…mwill be forced somewhere .. inherently unfair to the community that gets stuck with it….yes thats nimby! So, no i would not support such a study. Riverhead would get dumped on in my view.
    An airport in contrast, would bring more noise ( definitely), less intense traffic ( argueably) and positve economics ( debateable) . For this reason , i might favor it over recreational ( subject to analysis ) . Superior to both, is tech development… followed by high value commercial. Any population migration would be higher income, and any stress on school capacity would be by new people who are willing and able to pay higher taxes. ( in fact, i dont believe that the higher income people with children would even live in rvhd, schools being what they are, so consumption of upfront or RE tax $$ for schools and taxes would be minimal…and if they did, existing private private schools would benefit , new ones would be created- i can even see private schools and small cluster of residential within epcal to support a scientific /rseach/ tech community) . The only study that i would support, is ” is recreational development desirable from an economic perspective” …and only after tech / high value commercial has failed because i think it is obviously superior…..I think the town and politicains put far too much emphasis on ” how much can we get for the land?” ….

    If motorsports is so popular among riverhead residents, then why dont the politicians support it… ?? i give them more credit than you do. ( cardinale did the wrong thing, but the momentum / zoning was already there for recreational…. rethinking this is correct in my view). Safety concern aside , I dont care what “motorport people lost” – if it were so obviously desireable, many communites would welcome them— why dont they? Sorry if this is nimby. I think ” i want what i had is selfish” Last post for me, i wish you luck and health .

  • I don’t think you understood my post totally but you also forgot that I’m in the real estate managment business. The commercial use you propose will have the exact effect you don’t want. With every tech park providing high end paying jobs you will probably get three minimum wage maintenance jobs like porters facility maintenance depending on the type of tech work going on labs are one that require few skilled to many maintenance, and if the facility is union or not the likelyhood of these jobs being filled by immigrant labor who can work for far less than the average American worker will be a gimmee. You can count on these people moving in to Riverhead because their standards are not as high as the average American. The contractors don’t care about them or you and know the game in fact they count on you to provide their benefits. It’s a cruel reality we are both played for the profits of the few. America Lost again. A motor sports facility would require much less maintenance staff and is seasonal so perminent residents are highly unlikely for facility staff. It would probably be mostly covered by partime labor, something many Americans do in this economy. The support industries could and would as some long established companies be outside of Riverhead but on Long Island providing much needed manufacturing jobs which would bring back something here we have also lost that being jobs that build things. Many of these jobs are high skilled in machining and engineering and design. This country needs to start manufacturing its own needs products to escape the bonds of countries like China that just steal our ideas and make them cheaper. Why because our paper economy allows them to along with our government. You’ve got to start somewhere. I’m liking the debate though you get me thinking and I appreciate your views as they help me calculate and format a plan to pitch my product. I see life as comming to an understanding and mutual agreement with those of different views. I also wish you luck and health it’s been fun and in my life I don’t offten get to say that.

  • Jimmy have you noticed how these post have been taken out of order which in my mind changes the message and takes an honest debate and slants it against us. Oh what a suprise. Maybe the editor should place these in the order of response to make so the context or thought process show as fair and honest reporting. America lost again.

  • LOL, NEITHER. But very funny.

  • You guys crack me up, motorsports, airport blah blah blah…Don’t you realize nothing is ever going to happen there unless they build a 2900 acre Starbucks or a golf course. The only thing we can hope for is the current Board doesn’t get re-elected and the next bunch of crooks might want to do something to there. I’ve beeb there and let me tell you something, if done right you could have an airport, drag strip, oval track, hunting and build a huge lake for fishing. That property is huge in size and even a bigger pain in the ass to every tax paying citizen. Maybe they should use our money to build housing for all the illegal citizens, the DEC, EPA, FBI, CIA and the eieio will approve everything immediatly and find grant money to build it. Listen to Bob Matherson – “get out of NY before its to late”, those words are starting to make sense now aren’t they?

  • Yahoo finally someone with sense enough to realize waht is going on here on LI. No problem for the powers to be to spend our tax money on local airports, boat ramps, golf courses and beachs that need millions to replenish sand that gets wiped away with one storm. God forbid we have a drag strip and a safe place locally to spend our hard earned money all while having a nice day with our familys. Anyone who is against a track for whatever reason most likely has never attended a race. I’m not saying we’ll have another Moorsville going on here but there is a shipload of money leaving LI every weekend to NJ and PA. I hate spending time and money in traffic and on tolls but I won’t stop because I love my sport. In another 5 years I’ll retire and take my money, pension and family and move the hell out of this place I’ve called home for 50 years. LI used to be a great place to work and live but between the taxes, traffic and same old politics as usual, who would want to retire here? You wonder why all the kids are moving out of here and the place is being taken over by illegals, they don’t have anything to loose and the free ride program is live and well. Oh yea, don’t waste your time emailing Councilwoman Jodi Giglio with anything, shes just more of the same…telling everyone what they want to hear. EPCAL will remain a barren wasteland forever, get out of NY before its too late.

  • Thank you, Panico!

    Regarding the graffiti bill, does anyone really think this a good time to legislate against our local businesses? Is Kepert so out of touch that she thinks improved aesthetics is going to transform our struggling economy? There is a lot we need to do for our working middle class… Like helping them survive. Don’t nag them about some shit they have no control over. Please don’t perpetuate the idea that business owners should be responsible for the criminal activity of others. Isn’t this why we hire police? To enforce the law and hold the perpetrators responsible? We have to remember who the victims are here and not blame them.

    If local government thinks graffiti is so out of control and something needs to be done than just fucking do it. But don’t place that burden solely on one shopkeeper. Businesses need the chance to concentrate on being a business, growing and expanding so they may create jobs, generating revenue and opportunities within our community, and enjoying the freedom that we can build a business in America and have it look any particular way we feel. Let’s not be so uptight and downright fascist about this!

  • I polled 3 area’s in RHT using the food stores, we gave cardinale the names of 9600 people in RHT and 238 that wanted the ski mountain…

    9600 of something like 21000 people is pretty damn close to majority for only hitting 3 areas, and those were all nearest to epcal.

  • Go see cardinales ballots, he signed for them thru town hall, they have to remain there, or better yet ask cardinale, im sure he’ll lie, but if you want i can make myself available for when you want to ask him so he’ll tell you the truth….

    I’ll revisit those stores and the rest, and you’ll be pretty shocked as is the calv civics to see that even their area was motorsports friendly except for like 20 people.

  • What big motorsports facility has retail stores on it?

    For the most part motorsports parks aren’t open all week and even all year, and have no other stores on there property.

    Good motorsports parks attract business in the form of manufacturing, tech design and fabrication and with a govt having it’s hand in the auto industrry looking to make cars better at sipping fuel many engineers would love, or in school for engineering have a area to test there ideas.

    You are missing the many advantageous positive reasons for a facility